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They only scaled it down by 25 cars total. Considering overall Lexus sales are down 41.6% for the 2009 year and 36.1% for the IS model itself id say that scaled down production isnt going to matter and there will actually be more 2009 models sitting around waiting.
I might consider another one if the prices ever get to where i feel the car is worth it. Used ones are selling for more then what you can buy a new one for thats kinda sad people are that upside down in these cars. That says more to me then performance numbers.
Most i would pay new for one right now is $45K (which can be done if you look enough) most i would pay used is $40K which doesnt seem to be able to be done right now. Cheapest used ive seen lately is $48K.
good info.

the prior guy is a dealer and hence i would expect for him to push sales for the dealerships. ill keep this post till dec and see if what he says will hold. if it doesnt then it will be proof that dealerships are always pushing higher number to unknowledged consumers.
 

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Like one of the the other owners on here, I got a great deal on my 08 ISF when I bought it back in Feb of 2009.
At that time, they were sitting on the lots, and dealers wanted to get rid of them. Add to that the 5K toyota incentive that dealers were getting, and you could really make a deal.

most of that has changed. no more super-duper manufacturers incentives, and (at least around here) most of the 09 F's that arrive at the dealers are getting sold (just like the IS 350C). So things are picking up, and you'll be hard pressed to find an 09 for too much below msrp.

as far as finding a used one, i know i don't plan to give mine up anytime soon! :)
 

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good info.

the prior guy is a dealer and hence i would expect for him to push sales for the dealerships. ill keep this post till dec and see if what he says will hold. if it doesnt then it will be proof that dealerships are always pushing higher number to unknowledged consumers.
Hes actually a pretty straight forward guy I talked to him on the phone when we were looking for my wifes First IS-F and he shot me a price i think of $47,200 if i remember right. The only reason we didn't buy it from him was the dealer in Dallas matched it and for me its 2 hours to Dallas vs 2.5 days back and forth to Chicago. The sales and production numbers are public info so you can find it all over the place if you search for it.

I got my brother-in-law into a new IS250 this morning for $30K OTD only thing it didnt have was Navigation. Its basically just a matter of doing your homework before you fly into a dealership and try to buy a car. I gave him the info he needed and the dealer did it. The salesman said he was surprised cause 2 days ago someone else tried to buy the exact same car and his boss wouldn't go $1 below $32,600

The main thing to remember is do your homework up and down and 50 different ways. Talk to no less the 5 dealers even more if your really going for the deal. Last but not least dont ever ever think you are getting over on the dealer. Its just like Vegas they are still making their money on you. they are a business so they have to and you cant fault them for that you just have to play the game of Not let me try and beat the dealer but how much can i limit my ass kicking from the dealer. You do it that way and you will always walk away with a better deal then the average joe but they dealer always wins. ALWAYS.
 

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Hes actually a pretty straight forward guy I talked to him on the phone when we were looking for my wifes First IS-F and he shot me a price i think of $47,200 if i remember right. The only reason we didn't buy it from him was the dealer in Dallas matched it and for me its 2 hours to Dallas vs 2.5 days back and forth to Chicago. The sales and production numbers are public info so you can find it all over the place if you search for it.

I got my brother-in-law into a new IS250 this morning for $30K OTD only thing it didnt have was Navigation. Its basically just a matter of doing your homework before you fly into a dealership and try to buy a car. I gave him the info he needed and the dealer did it. The salesman said he was surprised cause 2 days ago someone else tried to buy the exact same car and his boss wouldn't go $1 below $32,600

The main thing to remember is do your homework up and down and 50 different ways. Talk to no less the 5 dealers even more if your really going for the deal. Last but not least dont ever ever think you are getting over on the dealer. Its just like Vegas they are still making their money on you. they are a business so they have to and you cant fault them for that you just have to play the game of Not let me try and beat the dealer but how much can i limit my ass kicking from the dealer. You do it that way and you will always walk away with a better deal then the average joe but they dealer always wins. ALWAYS.

i wasnt trying to make that guy a bad guy, i know he is only doing a job and trying to make $$$$$$$.

as for your statement on your next paragraph, i am with you 100% in agreement.

people don't realize that dealerships make sooo much money even if they say they dont.
i get alot of "oh, we aren't making any money off you if i discount 500.00 bucks".
thats total b.s. there is much money to be made in a sale.

ill call around and see what i get.

thanks for the info.
 

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^ I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting... Lexus scaled down production on the 2009's so they would not have to worry about trying to sell them off like the 2008's.


Andy, wasn't the above more a function of slow sales and poor economy than of worrying about the 09s being sold off like the 08s? Its like what came first, the chicken or the egg? Slow sales = lower sales prices or lower production due to slow sales and keep prices (demand) elevated??? In addition, now that the 10s are right around the corner and the Torsen Ltd Slip and some other goodies are added (as well as $1000 to the MSRP), the 09s should be dropping quite a bit too. Awesome car, BUT I don't believe it was the sales hit that Lexus had intended to get people into the showroom and buy it or other Lexus products? Does Lexus Mgmt care? Sure they do, they have a lot of money wrapped up in the development of the car (we were told so at the IsF event last summer 2008 in Joliet) . We all shouldn't feel bad, the NEW M3 has not been a runaway hit for BMW as well.

it is my belief that the new Torsen will make quite a few of us want the 10 model, particularly if it cannot be adapted to the 08-09 models for whatever reason (ECU tune, mechanical??) Thus, more the reason the 09s will really drop due to demand (or lack thereof).

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I got my brother-in-law into a new IS250 this morning for $30K OTD only thing it didnt have was Navigation. Its basically just a matter of doing your homework before you fly into a dealership and try to buy a car. I gave him the info he needed and the dealer did it. The salesman said he was surprised cause 2 days ago someone else tried to buy the exact same car and his boss wouldn't go $1 below $32,600
$30k otd for a new is250? kinda hard to believe, unless its a leftover 08 without awd and manual trans. More details please!!!
 
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