[MRxSLAYx]

Yes, the fuel system technically could handle more air, but the tuning system doesn't have the ability to control the stock injectors any further. There is a limited percentage change you can do with the FI/C piggyback on the car and we hit the limit, thus the relatively choppy A/F ratio. What you see as the final result is an improvement over the way it was running/tuned when we got the car. Also between the stock direct injection, stock port injectors, and the after market methanol kit, it's not that easy to coordinate them all together.




Not exactly(was lean in spots and rich in spots), but I'll see if I can grab some A/F charts of how the car was running/tuned from the get go. Also, you have to remember fuel is not the only thing that was tuned, timing is also changed and then you have the methanol injection kit over the top of all of it(which as mentioned before is not running as intended due to progressive controller controlling it).

Ive got a good idea on it now. Thanks for responding!

On another note... Do you think that Methanol is necessary and beneficial for the kit? I know that the few is350's on boost dont require the use of methanol and can handle that Psi on pump gas on a daily basis.

 

[Splat]

Ive got a good idea on it now. Thanks for responding!

On another note... Do you think that Methanol is necessary and beneficial for the kit? I know that the few is350's on boost dont require the use of methanol and can handle that Psi on pump gas on a daily basis.

Meth and or a Water injection (or common is a 50/50 mix) is not bad (i wont say never bc someone always has something to say). As long as you can tune for it (in this case i would recommend a turbosmart EBCS 2) and you would be all set. Set it up nicely with the FIC/8 and an aquamist kit!

 

[clifftrail]

What I got out of his question was; with such low boost there is there a need for a meth kit. Unless your going to crank it up the boost, increase the timing and start heating the motor up you probably don't even need to waste the money or headaches with more mechanical parts that need attention.

 

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What I got out of his question was; with such low boost there is there a need for a meth kit. Unless your going to crank it up the boost, increase the timing and start heating the motor up you probably don't even need to waste the money or headaches with more mechanical parts that need attention.

You are correct the Meth may not be necessary, but with a motor that has high compression as these do, it is just an added safety feature. In this case I think the kit was added because there was no tuning solution from the company that installed the kit. We are going to try to make it work without the Meth down the road. But for now this is what we have done and we will try other things in the future.

 

[driftevolution]

I would like to see a kit work without methanol injection. With an adequate fuel system, low IATs (including a well developed intercooling system), and the right tune, there should be no problem with a reasonable (5-8psi) amount of boost. I prefer filling up one tank with 91 octane at the gas station and driving down the road... but my car is a DD and I want to keep it that way.

 

[Elite]

I would like to see a kit work without methanol injection. With an adequate fuel system, low IATs (including a well developed intercooling system), and the right tune, there should be no problem with a reasonable (5-8psi) amount of boost. I prefer filling up one tank with 91 octane at the gas station and driving down the road... but my car is a DD and I want to keep it that way.

We agree with this exactly.

We're in the process of becoming an official vendor here, when it's all set up, we can go further into the plans and what products we can offer this community.

 

[Joe Z]

Interesting thread..

What gear were all your Dyno's conducted in??

Joe Z

 

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Interesting thread..

What gear were all your Dyno's conducted in??

Joe Z

The pulls were done in 4th gear. We tried 6th but the pulls were just too long.

 

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For those of you interested! I have new information on pricing on the AEM F/IC8 that is IS F Specific. As soon as our status as a vendor is updated on this site and we have our own Section I will let you guys know! As of now there will be a group buy on the F/IC with instructions on install! Remember this is an IS F unit only, there were mods made by us to make it work on this car.
Thanks,
Andy

 

[Splat]

are you saying that you have a harness built?

 

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It will be a self wire in unit, but will come with a VERY detailed instruction sheet. Otherwise we will be installing them for around $500 in house.

 

[Splat]

what would it all take to not have to splice the wires and make a new wire harness?

 

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what would it all take to not have to splice the wires and make a new wire harness?

the problem is space.... With the computer in the little box up front we can't really fit much else in there..... So that means that need to wire into the factory wiring... But we can try to work out somthing, I was looking at the ECU and there is a chance we can fit a plug and play type connector in there...

 

[Elite]

what would it all take to not have to splice the wires and make a new wire harness?

the problem is space.... With the computer in the little box up front we can't really fit much else in there..... So that means that need to wire into the factory wiring... But we can try to work out somthing, I was looking at the ECU and there is a chance we can fit a plug and play type connector in there...

For exactly that reasoning we are looking into a patch harness that would allow the wiring in of the FI/C without touching the oem harness. However like Andy stated our biggest hurdle is space. We'll keep you/everyone informed if we can make something work.

 

[driftevolution]

Just wanted to say +1 on the plug n play idea. Many of us are trying to work within the factory warranty, and cutting & splicing wires is an almost no-go. Where there's a will, there's a way, and sounds like you guys are headed down the right track.

 

[abyars]

Just curious, what is the advantage with the AEM F/IC8 without a turbo / supercharger install? I read a little about this unit but forgive my ignorance on this matter. Thanks in advance for any and all replies.
Andy

 

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The F/IC doesn't really have a benifit unless you are going with forced induction, or nitrous. The issue is that the F/IC can pull timing but not add it. So with that said I as of right now I have not done one on an NA car, but if someone would like to try to fine tune the Air Fuel Ratio I guess you could use it to do that.

Side note! We are now a vendor on your forum! Please check out our section, we will be adding content all day and check us out on facebook!
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Thanks,
Andy

 

[abyars]

One last question. With the limited resources available for our cars, do you recommend porting / polishing, or knife edging the throttle body on the IS-F engine and is it something that will result in gains or loses? Your thoughts? Just fyi, I have the K&N intake and am in the process of building a correct box that will allow the fresh air tube to actually add some pressuruzation when moving instead of being an open area under the hood.

 

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One last question. With the limited resources available for our cars, do you recommend porting / polishing, or knife edging the throttle body on the IS-F engine and is it something that will result in gains or loses? Your thoughts? Just fyi, I have the K&N intake and am in the process of building a correct box that will allow the fresh air tube to actually add some pressuruzation when moving instead of being an open area under the hood.

Yes we have actually talked about getting a throttle body, and intake manifold to port. There is a local company that does CNC cylinder head porting I had talked with about doing a program for the heads on the IS F. As far as gains, we really don't know because of how well the 2UR-GSE is designed from the factory, but there is always room for improvement!
I hope that answers your question!
Thanks,
Andy

 

[ISSJanoy]

the problem is space.... With the computer in the little box up front we can't really fit much else in there..... So that means that need to wire into the factory wiring... But we can try to work out somthing, I was looking at the ECU and there is a chance we can fit a plug and play type connector in there...

Dude that would ROCK!