One Word: TORQUE!!!
Raced a rs4
Raced an RS4
After weeks of driving round hoping for someone in a decent car would try to race me i finally got my wish. Was driving down the motorway to my wifes parents house and noticed a car approaching from behind quickly. I noticed it was a red rs4 saloon and he slowed next to me (about 80mph). I imediately put it into manual and sports mode and floored it. I left him standing and then slowed for him to pass me. He was going a fair speed when he overtook me then i planted it again and was right behind him until he moved over and i sailed past him surprisingly easy. Was a great buzz and i shocked how much quicker the isf was.
After weeks of driving round hoping for someone in a decent car would try to race me i finally got my wish. Was driving down the motorway to my wifes parents house and noticed a car approaching from behind quickly. I noticed it was a red rs4 saloon and he slowed next to me (about 80mph). I imediately put it into manual and sports mode and floored it. I left him standing and then slowed for him to pass me. He was going a fair speed when he overtook me then i planted it again and was right behind him until he moved over and i sailed past him surprisingly easy. Was a great buzz and i shocked how much quicker the isf was.
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thats right the audi really just doesn't compare to the rest of the class. I had someone ask me the other day why didn't you get the audi and I told him because it didn't even come close to the F or M3.
the only place a rs4 might have an advantage is from a stop seeing it's awd. it has less torque and more weight. i had a 08 rs4 and the is f feels quicker to me. for this and a few other reasons is why i dumped the rs4 for the is f.
Yeh iv been asked twice why i didnt just buy an RS4. The ISF is just so much nicer tothats right the audi really just doesn't compare to the rest of the class. I had someone ask me the other day why didn't you get the audi and I told him because it didn't even come close to the F or M3.
Maybe he wasn't pushing it? I have cars come up to me all the time but I don't race all the time. I'll pull next to the car for curiosity. I still love the looks for the RS4.
He definitely was racing at the speeds he was doing... i was just doing more
The RS4 is not a straight line bruiser. The ISF will eat it for lunch but on a longer road course the RS4 may surprise you.
Time Vehicle Driver Issue, (Date of Test), Notes
7:32 Porsche Carrera GT Horst von Saurma 2004/01 [8]
7:33 Porsche 997 GT2 Horst von Saurma 2007/11, Sport tires [9]
7:33 Pagani Zonda F Horst von Saurma 2006/05 [10]
7:34 Koenigsegg CCR Horst von Saurma 2006/03 (17 October 2005) [11]
7:35 Porsche 997 Turbo Ruf Rt 12 Horst von Saurma 2008/02, Sport tires [12]
7:38 Nissan GT-R Horst von Saurma 2009/07, Dunlop tires
7:39 Ferrari F430 Scuderia Horst von Saurma 2008/07, Sport tires [13]
7:39 Porsche 997 Turbo TechArt GTstreet Horst von Saurma 2007/10, Sport tires [14]
7:40 Porsche 911 GT3 997MkII Horst von Saurma 2009/06, [15]
7:44 Pagani Zonda S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2005)
7:46 Porsche 911 GT2 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2001)
7:46 Lamborgini Gallardo Superleggera Horst von Saurma Sport Auto [2]
7:47 Porsche 911 GT3 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2004)
7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[3]
7:47 Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 E-gear Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2007), Sport tires[citation needed]
7:49 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (22 June 2007)[16]
7:50 BMW M3 CSL Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2003)
7:50 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2008)[4], PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus, Michelin Cup tires
7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2008)[5], apparently problems with tires and ABS
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG Sport Auto (03/2005)
7:54 Porsche 911 Turbo 997 Horst von Saurma (05/2007)[6]
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2006)
7:56 Porsche 911 Turbo Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2000)
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2004), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:02 Aston Martin DBS Horst von Saurma [7]
8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2005)
8:03 Porsche 911 GT3 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/1999)
8:04 Audi R8 Sport Auto (07/2007)[8]
8:05 BMW M3 E92 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2007)[9]
8:09 Audi RS4 Sport Auto (06/2006)
8:09 BMW M6 E63 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2005), Sport tires, 259 km/h speed limiter.[citation needed]
8:09 Honda NSX-R Sport Auto (08/2002), Sport tires, suspension modification.[citation needed]
8:10 Chrysler Viper GTS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/1997)
8:10 BMW Alpina B6 S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (05/2008)[10]
8:10.08 Porsche Cayman S Walter Röhrl Sport Auto, 19 inch wheels, ceramic brakes.[citation needed]
8:13 BMW M5 E60 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2004)
8:13 Ferrari 355 GTB Sport Auto (10/1994)
8:13 Mercedes-Benz_C63 AMG Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (1/2009?)[11]
8:14 BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2008)[12]
8:18 Lexus IS-F Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (9/2008)[13]
8:22 BMW M3 E46 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2000)
8:22 BMW M Coupe E36/8 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/1998)
8:24 2004 Subaru Impreza Sport Auto (05/2004), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:25 Lotus Exige S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2008)[14]
8:25 Jaguar XKR Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:25 Porsche Cayman S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:24 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/1999), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:25 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2002), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:26 Audi S5 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2008)[15]
8:26 BMW 335i E92 Coupe Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:26 Nissan 350Z Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2003)
8:28 Porsche 911 Carrera (993) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/1997)
8:29 Audi TTS Coupé Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2008)[16]
8:32 Porsche Boxster S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/1999)
8:38 Honda NSX Sport Auto, (08/1997)
8:39 Honda S2000 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2000)
8:40 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Sport Auto (07/1997), automatic transmission
8:42 Lotus Exige Mk1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2000), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:47 Honda Civic Type-R Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2001)
8:49 Volkswagen Golf R32 Sport Auto (09/2006)
8:51 Ford Focus ST Sport Auto (09/2005)
8:53 Volkswagen Golf GTI DSG MK5 Sport Auto (11/2005)
8:54 Vauxhall Corsa VXR Sport Auto (04/2008)
9:05 Ford Focus RS Sport Auto (09/2005)
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Time Vehicle Driver Issue, (Date of Test), Notes
7:32 Porsche Carrera GT Horst von Saurma 2004/01 [8]
7:33 Porsche 997 GT2 Horst von Saurma 2007/11, Sport tires [9]
7:33 Pagani Zonda F Horst von Saurma 2006/05 [10]
7:34 Koenigsegg CCR Horst von Saurma 2006/03 (17 October 2005) [11]
7:35 Porsche 997 Turbo Ruf Rt 12 Horst von Saurma 2008/02, Sport tires [12]
7:38 Nissan GT-R Horst von Saurma 2009/07, Dunlop tires
7:39 Ferrari F430 Scuderia Horst von Saurma 2008/07, Sport tires [13]
7:39 Porsche 997 Turbo TechArt GTstreet Horst von Saurma 2007/10, Sport tires [14]
7:40 Porsche 911 GT3 997MkII Horst von Saurma 2009/06, [15]
7:44 Pagani Zonda S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2005)
7:46 Porsche 911 GT2 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2001)
7:46 Lamborgini Gallardo Superleggera Horst von Saurma Sport Auto [2]
7:47 Porsche 911 GT3 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2004)
7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[3]
7:47 Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 E-gear Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2007), Sport tires[citation needed]
7:49 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (22 June 2007)[16]
7:50 BMW M3 CSL Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2003)
7:50 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2008)[4], PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus, Michelin Cup tires
7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2008)[5], apparently problems with tires and ABS
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG Sport Auto (03/2005)
7:54 Porsche 911 Turbo 997 Horst von Saurma (05/2007)[6]
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2006)
7:56 Porsche 911 Turbo Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2000)
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2004), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:02 Aston Martin DBS Horst von Saurma [7]
8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2005)
8:03 Porsche 911 GT3 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/1999)
8:04 Audi R8 Sport Auto (07/2007)[8]
8:05 BMW M3 E92 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2007)[9]
8:09 Audi RS4 Sport Auto (06/2006)
8:09 BMW M6 E63 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2005), Sport tires, 259 km/h speed limiter.[citation needed]
8:09 Honda NSX-R Sport Auto (08/2002), Sport tires, suspension modification.[citation needed]
8:10 Chrysler Viper GTS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/1997)
8:10 BMW Alpina B6 S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (05/2008)[10]
8:10.08 Porsche Cayman S Walter Röhrl Sport Auto, 19 inch wheels, ceramic brakes.[citation needed]
8:13 BMW M5 E60 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2004)
8:13 Ferrari 355 GTB Sport Auto (10/1994)
8:13 Mercedes-Benz_C63 AMG Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (1/2009?)[11]
8:14 BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2008)[12]
8:18 Lexus IS-F Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (9/2008)[13]
8:22 BMW M3 E46 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2000)
8:22 BMW M Coupe E36/8 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/1998)
8:24 2004 Subaru Impreza Sport Auto (05/2004), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:25 Lotus Exige S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2008)[14]
8:25 Jaguar XKR Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:25 Porsche Cayman S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:24 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/1999), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:25 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2002), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:26 Audi S5 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2008)[15]
8:26 BMW 335i E92 Coupe Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:26 Nissan 350Z Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2003)
8:28 Porsche 911 Carrera (993) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/1997)
8:29 Audi TTS Coupé Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2008)[16]
8:32 Porsche Boxster S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/1999)
8:38 Honda NSX Sport Auto, (08/1997)
8:39 Honda S2000 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2000)
8:40 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Sport Auto (07/1997), automatic transmission
8:42 Lotus Exige Mk1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2000), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:47 Honda Civic Type-R Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2001)
8:49 Volkswagen Golf R32 Sport Auto (09/2006)
8:51 Ford Focus ST Sport Auto (09/2005)
8:53 Volkswagen Golf GTI DSG MK5 Sport Auto (11/2005)
8:54 Vauxhall Corsa VXR Sport Auto (04/2008)
9:05 Ford Focus RS Sport Auto (09/2005)
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I raced a 2005 RS6 about three months ago, and pulled on it. It definitely has more power than the ISF, but is heavier. Still, I was surprised at beating it, with its 450 BHP twin turbo V8.
Rock, what course is that? And who's this Horst guy?
Horst von Saurma-Jeltsch is the chief editor of the German automobile magazine sport auto. He has had a brief racing career but is best-known for skillful driving at the Nürburgring.Rock, what course is that? And who's this Horst guy?
A well-known feature of sport auto is the "Supertest", wherein Saurma tests sports cars at their limit on the track (using fully road-legal trim) and their resulting lap times at the Nürburgring and the Hockenheimring are compared. In 2004, Saurma set the Nürburgring lap record for a production car by taking the Porsche Carrera GT around in 7 minutes 32 seconds[3]. Saurma's laps for sport auto are often taken as benchmark times for their respective vehicles.
Hey Rock, thanks for the info. I didn't know one guy's times were considered the benchmark there.
8:18 for the ISF huh...I bet it would do substantially better if Lexus hadn't equipped it with such narrow rubber. I mean, come on! 225 front and 255 rear is pretty narrow for a 3780 lb sports car...I run the same size rubber on my wife's S2000, and it weights a 1000 lbs less.
8:18 for the ISF huh...I bet it would do substantially better if Lexus hadn't equipped it with such narrow rubber. I mean, come on! 225 front and 255 rear is pretty narrow for a 3780 lb sports car...I run the same size rubber on my wife's S2000, and it weights a 1000 lbs less.
I agree completely. I was surprised at how narrow the tyres were also.Hey Rock, thanks for the info. I didn't know one guy's times were considered the benchmark there.
8:18 for the ISF huh...I bet it would do substantially better if Lexus hadn't equipped it with such narrow rubber. I mean, come on! 225 front and 255 rear is pretty narrow for a 3780 lb sports car...I run the same size rubber on my wife's S2000, and it weights a 1000 lbs less.
Okay how about The Stig's times?Hey Rock, thanks for the info. I didn't know one guy's times were considered the benchmark there.
8:18 for the ISF huh...I bet it would do substantially better if Lexus hadn't equipped it with such narrow rubber. I mean, come on! 225 front and 255 rear is pretty narrow for a 3780 lb sports car...I run the same size rubber on my wife's S2000, and it weights a 1000 lbs less.
47. Noble M12 GTO-3R 1:25.0 119 ´05 356 / 1080 kg The Stig
48. Lotus Exige S 1:25.1 119 ´05 222 / 933 The Stig
49. BMW M3 Sedan (E90) 1:25.3 119 ´07 420 / 1646 The Stig
50. Audi RS4 (B7) 1:25.6 119 ´05 420 / 1720 The Stig
51. Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1:25.7 118 ´06 520 / 1748 The Stig
52. Lotus Evora 1:25.7 118 ´10 276 / - Top Gear/The Stig
53. Lamborghini Gallardo 1:25.8 (Wet) 118 ´03 500 / 1613 The Stig
54. Morgan Aero 8 GTN 1:25.9 118 ´ 335 / 932 The Stig
55. Mercedes CLK 63 Black Series 1:26 118 ´07 507 / 1745 The Stig (White)
56. BMW Z4 M Roadster 1:26.0 118 ´06 343 / 1444 The Stig
57. Mitsubishi Evo VIII MR FQ 320 1:26.0 118 ´05 326 / 1400 The Stig
58. BMW M5 (E60) 1:26.2 118 ´05 507 / 1848 The Stig
59. Porsche 997 Carrera S 1:26.20 (damp track) 118 ´04 355 / 1420 The Stig
60. Vauxhall VXR8 Bathurst S 1:26.3 118 ´09 568 / 1830 The Stig
61. Lotus Exige 1:26.4 (mildly moist) 118 ´04 192 / 907 The Stig
62. Porsche Cayman S 1:26.7 117 ´05 295 / 1406 The Stig
63. Ferrari 575 Maranello 1:26.8 117 ´02 515 / 1760 The Stig
64. Chevrolet Corvette C6 1:26.8 117 ´04 400 / 1470 The Stig
65. Aston Martin V12 Vantage 1:26.80 117 ´09 517 / 1680 The Stig
66. Mercedes CLS 55 AMG 1:26.9 117 ´05 476 / 1958 The Stig
67. Lexus IS F 1:26.9 117 ´07 423 / 1732 The Stig
68. TVR T350C 1:27.0 117 ´03 350 / - Top Gear/ The Stig
69. Aston Martin Vanquish S 1:27.1 117 ´04 520 / 1875 The Stig
maybe they did not know of the sport mode button
Stig is the man...I love Top Gear.Okay how about The Stig's times?
47. Noble M12 GTO-3R 1:25.0 119 ´05 356 / 1080 kg The Stig
48. Lotus Exige S 1:25.1 119 ´05 222 / 933 The Stig
49. BMW M3 Sedan (E90) 1:25.3 119 ´07 420 / 1646 The Stig
50. Audi RS4 (B7) 1:25.6 119 ´05 420 / 1720 The Stig
51. Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1:25.7 118 ´06 520 / 1748 The Stig
52. Lotus Evora 1:25.7 118 ´10 276 / - Top Gear/The Stig
53. Lamborghini Gallardo 1:25.8 (Wet) 118 ´03 500 / 1613 The Stig
54. Morgan Aero 8 GTN 1:25.9 118 ´ 335 / 932 The Stig
55. Mercedes CLK 63 Black Series 1:26 118 ´07 507 / 1745 The Stig (White)
56. BMW Z4 M Roadster 1:26.0 118 ´06 343 / 1444 The Stig
57. Mitsubishi Evo VIII MR FQ 320 1:26.0 118 ´05 326 / 1400 The Stig
58. BMW M5 (E60) 1:26.2 118 ´05 507 / 1848 The Stig
59. Porsche 997 Carrera S 1:26.20 (damp track) 118 ´04 355 / 1420 The Stig
60. Vauxhall VXR8 Bathurst S 1:26.3 118 ´09 568 / 1830 The Stig
61. Lotus Exige 1:26.4 (mildly moist) 118 ´04 192 / 907 The Stig
62. Porsche Cayman S 1:26.7 117 ´05 295 / 1406 The Stig
63. Ferrari 575 Maranello 1:26.8 117 ´02 515 / 1760 The Stig
64. Chevrolet Corvette C6 1:26.8 117 ´04 400 / 1470 The Stig
65. Aston Martin V12 Vantage 1:26.80 117 ´09 517 / 1680 The Stig
66. Mercedes CLS 55 AMG 1:26.9 117 ´05 476 / 1958 The Stig
67. Lexus IS F 1:26.9 117 ´07 423 / 1732 The Stig
68. TVR T350C 1:27.0 117 ´03 350 / - Top Gear/ The Stig
69. Aston Martin Vanquish S 1:27.1 117 ´04 520 / 1875 The Stig
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