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It's on! C! magazine, our local car magazine here will do a feature tomorrow comparing the F vs an AMG 63 vs an M3, and possibly an RS4. Professional race driver will do three laps, acceleration, and stopping tests, among others. This will be done at the BRC track.

Can anyone give me links on narrative technical descriptions of the car, be it for the tranny, the quad pipes, and what have you. I just want to pepper the journalists with information to impress them. :)
 

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my predictions

lap time - m3
0-60 - c63
0-100 - c63
brakes - rs4
slalom - m3

as much as i dont like it....thats probably what its going to be....
 

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Sweet keep us posted. I hope three laps is enough to get the hang of the tranny in the F.

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Hear ye hear ye! True three laps were not enough particularly for the F. The driver had to get used to downshifting more than the usual, instead of one gear down he'd have to go two or three, at times.

Anyway before I bla bla bla furhter, the results are..... Drum roll please....
1. THE F: 1.5617
2. C63: 1.5678
3. M3: 1.58...

There were other cars for a different comparo, for some strange reason they were going to put the BMW 335 against a Subaru STi. But to put it all in perspective here's a play by play:

First out was the Subaru which lapped at 2.00. Driver was not happy with the car, he said it felt sluggish. Next was the 335 which did 2.2... Then our turn came.

The M3 was taken out first which did a lousy 2.00. It was surprising cause the driver (before starting out) admitted that he'd probably do best with the M3 given that it's got the 6-speed manual.

Next was the C63 where he did six laps to get used to the braking behavior of the car. His best was 1.5678.

Last was the F. He also did six laps to try both manual and full auto, both at sport mode. His 1.5617 was with on auto. In Manual he also did 1.56.. almost identical, but he liked the manual better since he could throw the car a bit more.

I egged him on to take the M3 again to attempt to closer the gap and that's where he shaved 2 secs off.

But all told, we did it! ...in a very fair and square environment.

Flip, thanks for the sites. Doblexl, we didn't do the other tests anymore, 0-100, slalom, 100-0, etc. As far as I'm concerned the laps were good enough since it was a pretty technical track which brought out the behavior of the car in different situations.
 

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:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: The race was fixed..:D :D :D
 

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i'm sure everyone here is familiar with top gear from the uk. all lap times are set with the same driver. "the stig"

around their track:

e92 m3 - 1:25.3
is f - 1:26.8
e46 m3 csl - 1:28.0
e46 m3 - 1:31.8

5th gear, 2 different drivers, same track, back to back:

e92 m3 1:19.7
is f - 1:19.8

2 quite different results.........i'm not saying that the is f stomping on the m3 this time is a bad thing, but the M division knows what they are doing.
 

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Yes it was an E92 alright. As I said we were also ready to see the M3 go fastest but I was there and I saw it. In the 5th gear comparo you saw how Tiff was all over the place and he was a 10th of a second off from the M3.

I know that M knows what they're doing but I don't think they are as obssesive as the Japs in perfecting their craft, Toyota/Lexus in partiular. Well that's my opinion, obviously. They have this thing for continuous improvement, and it'sin their blood.

Driver tried to do a lap on the M3 with its traction control off and it would just oversteer, therefore he left it on "SPORT" but with traction control on.

The Philippines maybe known for corruption, but this time this was clean. he he.
 

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The Philippines maybe known for corruption, but this time this was clean. he he.
Hah, good sense of humor. Nice to see the F win using the same driver against the other cars. This just again shows how much parity there is with Lexus' first attempt, which I for one am quite content with.
 

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i also think the is f would have been faster then the m3 in the fifth gear test. however tiff drove the m3 and jason drove the is f. and yah jason drifted a little too excessively in a few of the corners.
 

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Good information. I think it just demonstrates how different the cars are even though in the same class. I think driver comfort is huge and I am glad to see that the driver took his time to get familiar with all of the cars. Comfort = how hard you will push it and some cars are just intrinsically more comfortable to drive.

Thanks for the update and the results. are there any vids you can share?

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Good information. I think it just demonstrates how different the cars are even though in the same class. I think driver comfort is huge and I am glad to see that the driver took his time to get familiar with all of the cars. Comfort = how hard you will push it and some cars are just intrinsically more comfortable to drive.

Thanks for the update and the results. are there any vids you can share?

Fig
True, comfort is a big factor. I installed a CG Lock on my belt. Are you guys familiar with this contraption? It locks the lap portion on of your OEM belt, it gets you planted on the seat thereby eliminating the need to adjust to your comfort zone while lapping. It sure helps for me, one less to be distraction.

Videos and pictures will only be released to us after the issue is out on te stands in May. I will see what I can post.
 

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Hah, good sense of humor. Nice to see the F win using the same driver against the other cars. This just again shows how much parity there is with Lexus' first attempt, which I for one am quite content with.
This is actually the reason why I got the F (instead of an M3), I was impressed that for thier first time out with a perofrmance machine, they're already at that level.

I also suggested to the writer that he may want to end his observations of the F with something similar to what you said.
 

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Hear ye hear ye! True three laps were not enough particularly for the F. The driver had to get used to downshifting more than the usual, instead of one gear down he'd have to go two or three, at times.

Anyway before I bla bla bla furhter, the results are..... Drum roll please....
1. THE F: 1.5617
2. C63: 1.5678
3. M3: 1.58...

There were other cars for a different comparo, for some strange reason they were going to put the BMW 335 against a Subaru STi. But to put it all in perspective here's a play by play:

First out was the Subaru which lapped at 2.00. Driver was not happy with the car, he said it felt sluggish. Next was the 335 which did 2.2... Then our turn came.

The M3 was taken out first which did a lousy 2.00. It was surprising cause the driver (before starting out) admitted that he'd probably do best with the M3 given that it's got the 6-speed manual.

Next was the C63 where he did six laps to get used to the braking behavior of the car. His best was 1.5678.

Last was the F. He also did six laps to try both manual and full auto, both at sport mode. His 1.5617 was with on auto. In Manual he also did 1.56.. almost identical, but he liked the manual better since he could throw the car a bit more.

I egged him on to take the M3 again to attempt to closer the gap and that's where he shaved 2 secs off.

But all told, we did it! ...in a very fair and square environment.

Flip, thanks for the sites. Doblexl, we didn't do the other tests anymore, 0-100, slalom, 100-0, etc. As far as I'm concerned the laps were good enough since it was a pretty technical track which brought out the behavior of the car in different situations.
Great stuff, did your F driver FULLY disable VDIM/TRAC for any of the runs?
 

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No he did not for the simple reason that he wanted to have the same setting for all three cars.

However, I was egged on by the C63 to do a burn out with him, side by side. That's when I disabled VDIM/TRAC. Thay were all impressed and that too was filmed. he he.. I left two tire marks bout 20 meters long. I felt bad for the Miches though.
 
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