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I've seen a few used IS-Fs sell without navigation systems before. If pricing is a concern with you at all, I just wouldn't consider the IS-F. Brakes/Rotors are quoted 1+ and tires well over 1k+ at the dealership. $100 services along with the extra $ spent on additional car care (gotta keep those wheels clean or they will be destroyed with months)... Sure it's a lot cheaper than a BMW or Benz but this car is still going to cost you. If you don't want to cough up for a nav, etc, which is roughly $3000-4000 cost difference, I somehow can't see you being willing to cough up for the high maintenance.

This is what I've paid up for since I bought my IS-F

IS-F(after trade-in) $28860
Exhaust $1500
Intake $400
CarWashing $200
CarDetailing $500
Brakes+Rotor resurface $600
Oil Changes + Services $400
Additonal insurance $400
Additional Gas(vs other car) $300
Wheel refinish $390

Total $33,550

or additional $4690 for IS-F.

Now let's take in the fact that I paid $45,000 for it.
Its trade-in value is only $38,000.

Meaning that my IS-F purchase comes out to a $11,690 loss after a year. Personally, that's nothing to me, but it might be to you! The $11,690 was certainly worth the joy I get from this car, and I absolutely love the ML system + the navi.

But yeah, saw a Matador Red without ML/Nav going for 38k with 20k miles. 4k extra would get the loaded car.
 

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It does come down to not being able to justify the cost.
You can't justify an audiophile quality sound system paired with a premium display with navigation, dvd playback, backup camera(worth every penny), along with many other luxuries.

...Yet you can justify the highest maintenance, more expensive model Lexus with unnecessary additional power.

I apologize for sounding high nosed, but it's not exactly the hastiest, mind blowingly illogical conclusion that you are a person that needs to justify costs, and I wanted to point out that the IS-F isn't an easily justifiable cost either, maybe you already thought of this, but that's ok... I never said you couldn't afford it... And even if that's what I did suggest, that doesn't necessarily imply that I am high nosed. :confused: Maybe I came to a poor conclusion? Hell, you are the one that comes to conclusions about the ML system based off the subjective responses of other IS owners... See, we all make mistakes. :eek:
 

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Well to give you an idea of how much the car will cost you after you get it even a base model here is what i've paid:

All service done at my dealership
1. Front Brake Pads/Rotors: $1390.00
2. Oil Maintenance 10K: $450.00
3. Oil Maintenance 18K: $450.00
And i am due for rear brake pads/ rotors soon. This has only been within the first 15 months. I wished someone could've told me this before i got the car. I just hate spending that kind of money on service. But it is a great car and the ML sound system is awesome. Everytime i get in to another car i can hear the difference in sound. GPS is a must and all other options are pretty much standard. If you get it new the car will cost you at least 50k.
I wish I knew this as well, which is why I decided to warn this guy... But now that I have it I'll never get rid of it, its the highlight of my day, nearly every day.
 

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I appreciate the warning, I do :). As I read your warning, I can't help but see the innuendoes of judging of a person's purchasing capabilities based on their choice of options for the car. I'm sure the options you have are worth every penny, to you. And I'm not knocking on the ML. After all, Mark Levinson has an established name.

I've done my research on the car, and I don't have a problem with the maintanence. It is part of the ownership. This isn't the first sports sedan I'll be owning. The ML just doesn't float my boat. But I can, however, justify spending the money on 19" Volk Racing GTF wheels plus new tires, Joe Z intake & exhaust, Sikky headers, Wald body kit, and Tein lowering springs, and all the labor it'll cost to have these items installed. That's money I can justify spending, because it is worth every penny, to me. :D

Thanks for all your feedbacks. In the end, I wanted to know if Lexus would build my order for a base car. If not, then I'll add what I have to add to get the car build.
Sounds awesome, you are in for a real treat. I don't have the Joe Z exhaust, but I do have the Borla catback and did the intake flap mod, and since then have not really been needing that ML system haha. Put some pics up when you get it!

*edit* Oh and remember to get a clear bra installed, best option by far.
 

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A Ford is still a Ford. It's not a luxury lineup and it's certainly not in the league of Lexus, however it's clear that they have stepped up their game. They still have a cheap interior, a cheap feel, and are nowhere near as luxurious as a Lexus - the Taurus SHO being the exception.

I test drove a used 2009 Ford Escape Hybrid, it is the exact opposite of a solid ride, and the steering wheel paint already faded off from where the previous driver kept his / her hands, and the paint on the trim was already wearing off in areas.

The new 5.0 is fast and can potentially be faster, but is nowhere in the league of the IS-F in terms of the overall ride.
 
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