[old$parts]

I have an appointment next week to check out the new cts-v cadillac. Once I drive it and I'm afraid I will be hooked by the Supercharged engine with 556HP and approximately the same amount of torque. This car is supposed to be serious competition in the luxury sedan class. Some say the fastest in the world in its class. My resistance to purchasing this car will be at its lowest point and I hope that if I do buy it that I won't regret the decision later.
Please join in with some input to justify not purchasing the cts-v.

 

[axtellz]

Other than price, i see little reason not to check it out... From all i have read, it is an awesome machine. The downside to that is, it may get the GTR "shock and awe" effect, and the cost may go wacko.
Oh, and it is still a GM product, which by and large have been solid, but not on par with Lexus/Toyota IMO.
Why not have both? One of my elderly patients once told me:
"kid, this life ain't a dress rehearsal"
I do try to keep that in mind when justifying my hobbies..
Jeremiah

 

[BigMikeISF]

Just get one and keep both the F and V

I love the F, I like the power, interior, exterior looks, sound, everything about it. I haven't seen a new V yet nor have I heard one. I don't think it can replicate the 3600RPM double intake opening nor the reliability of Lexus/Toyota Just to name a few reasons

Edit: can mods combine the two threads that say the same thing link is below
http://www.lexusf.com/forums/showthread.php?t=752

 

[Fig]

It sounds like a great car. My objection to the Caddie is purely based on style. Its true I bought the ISF because it has tremendous power, but its alos because its a toyota product and I like to keep things for a long time. Consider the interior, the overall ability to be a lucury car when you want it to be and most importantly the retained value over the next three years.


Another thing may be to read your sig, seems like you had some good feelings when you wrote that.

The thing that you should be thinking about is what is power good for if you cannot use it. One thing that strikes me about both cars is the fact that I am constanly looking for police, people pulling out and in general hostile road situations or traffic. Its great on an open road, I just wish I could get more road to myself more often.

Fig

 

[wangxy]

Other than price, i see little reason not to check it out... From all i have read, it is an awesome machine. The downside to that is, it may get the GTR "shock and awe" effect, and the cost may go wacko.
Oh, and it is still a GM product, which by and large have been solid, but not on par with Lexus/Toyota IMO.
Why not have both? One of my elderly patients once told me:
"kid, this life ain't a dress rehearsal"
I do try to keep that in mind when justifying my hobbies..
Jeremiah

I love that saying!

 

[SuperFreak]

I have two words: Bullet Proof. When is the last time you heard these words mentioned with the Cadillac name? If you don't understand what you are getting into as far as ownership experience, service, and warranty repairs, then you are going to be educated at least after you buy.

BTW, which one are going to look at, stick or auto?

 

[cls552isf]

The cts v is the best cadillac ever made, there is nothing wrong with it except for the rear styling imo I feel the manual transmission is a must, good luck!

 

[SMOKE]

Get the V and keep both vehicles, BUT, remember GM is in bad shape financially so the resale,upkeep,maintenance,might be a problem later $$$$ and I wouldn't "buy" the V , I would lease it to see where it's going maybe Gm needs a little time like everyone else,because your not gonna get good value for that car....it's not a Toyota

 

[TomsterF]

As long as money is no object then go for it. Not so much the purchase price as the certainty it will be worth 25% of what you paid in 2, maybe 3 years. Cadillac is notorious for piss-poor resale value.

 

[FujiN]

As long as money is no object then go for it. Not so much the purchase price as the certainty it will be worth 25% of what you paid in 2, maybe 3 years. Cadillac is notorious for piss-poor resale value.

Agreed... Check out a used 2007 Cadillac CTS-V on autotrade or any car sales website and take a look at the resale value plus the saturation in the market place... 12,000+ listings on auto trader of CTS's in general and if you look up the IS 250, 350, and F series they only total about 4,000+ (2006-2009)... Also just found this info on KBB for a '07 CTS-V

Kelley Blue Book Price $31,000 - $31,700
Trade-in value (10,000 miles) Excellent Condition $29,500
Original Retail Price (MSRP) $51,425

So thats right around a 40% devaluation in a matter of 1 year of use!

 

[tf103chl]

I'm thinking along the same lines as everyone else. It would be really fun to drive, not so fun to own...

 

[TomsterF]

Also just found this info on KBB for a '07 CTS-V

Kelley Blue Book Price $31,000 - $31,700
Trade-in value (10,000 miles) Excellent Condition $29,500
Original Retail Price (MSRP) $51,425

So thats right around a 40% devaluation in a matter of 1 year of use!

I think you're looking at the CTS, not the CTS-V. The V I think is new for 2009 and base MSRP is $61,000. Still, your depreciation figures are accurate and one could expect this $61,000 purchase to drop to about $35,000 after only one year of ownership. It's not that Cadillac is making bad cars these days (I actually think they're now very competitive quality-wise) it's just the bad rap that US manufacturers have had to face through nobody's fault but their own. They built crap for far too long for people to forget so quickly.

 

[2pdfst]

Just lease the bitch, then, who gives a f___ what the resale is! Also, you can drive it like to stole it for 36 months! Even a GM will last that long.

 

[old$parts]

I'm considering the automatic, fully optioned it will be expensive. My main concerns have been about depreciation and reliability. Also, I wonder if the cts-v will be mass produced or along the same numbers manufactured as the ISF. I am rather surprised about the comments I have received on this thread. I expected a lot more negative type replies. Of course I understand that this car is so new that there is hardly any feedback yet. Perhaps I will be able to provide some info shortly.

 

[FujiN]

LMAO at the avatar TF!

 

[FujiN]

I think you're looking at the CTS, not the CTS-V. The V I think is new for 2009 and base MSRP is $61,000. Still, your depreciation figures are accurate and one could expect this $61,000 purchase to drop to about $35,000 after only one year of ownership.

No that was the MSRP price of the '07 CTS-V and the current KBB price after one year of use... My buddy was going to buy an '05 CTS-V for 25k last year and another one of my buddy's bought a '07 STS-V which costed him about $62k at the time, he hooked it up to get up to 550+ hp and is only getting $35k for trade-in value on a CLS 65 AMG! By the way what makes the new CTS-V is that it was completely revamped so it's almost a completely different car from its predecessors (engine, interior, exterior)

 

[axtellz]

Expected more negative replies?? I have found this to be a very thoughtful group, not the typical "fanboy" of a particular brand (in this case, Lexus, of course)
When it comes to a sports sedan, as they say- B.S. walks..
I don't care who builds what, i base my choices on the product offered, not the spin or the hype around it.
However, i still feel there will be a markup on the CTS-V, and that kills it for me. For now.. 5 seats would be sweet though..

 

[jctheplaya888]

honestly i saw the video its supposed to race against an M5, i definetely wouldn't pay that much for a cadillac, unless it was a hooked up escalade, not worth it for a cadilllac, i would def rather get he m5, it beats in both looks and everything else!

 

[axtellz]

old$parts-
any update on the test drive?
I just heard from my local dealer that they will have a CTS-V at the end of the month, and that they never charge over MSRP. Hmmmm...
I'd be interested in your take, if you've been in one.
Doug, forget you saw this post ;-)

 

[henry zzzz]

i read that the new ctsv broke the record for fastest factory sedan lap time at the nurburgring! not to shabby!!!