In an effort to create more awareness for the IS-F and F-Sport accessories I wanted to start a topic of what you think Lexus should offer in the future for the IS line of cars including the IS-F relating to F-Sport accessories. I have been offered a very unique opportunity by Lexus to go to Las Vegas this coming Monday and sit down at a round table meeting with Lexus and most likely TRD and discuss the future of the F-sport accessories during SEMA week! So, if you have any reasonable thoughts or ideas and would like to share them here I will take them with me to the meeting and share them with Lexus and the people responsible for the F-Sport branded parts. I want to give you this opportunity as you are ultimately the end user. Remember we will most likely cover the whole IS line during this meeting so don't limit your thoughts to just the IS-F. I have a feeling a supercharger for the IS-F will be on most of your lists but go ahead and list it anyway. Please also provide reasons as to why you think that particular item you think might be a good addition be it because of performance, aesthetics, etc. Thanks! :D

Doug

Probably the easiest fix for the ISF would be wider front and rear tires. 225mm fronts and 255mm rears are too skinny for the relatively hefty weight and ample horsepower. In my opinion, 245 fronts and 275 rears would be a much better choice from the factory and might just narrow the gap in track times between the ISF and M3. Of course, 255 fronts and 285-295 rears would be even better. I mean...Come on! The M3 is lighter than the ISF and has a LOT let torque, but still has wider factory tires. FIX IT LEXUS! Please??!!

i know that with all the safety systems it would be hard to trim weight, and especially hard if you wanted to keep the nice quiet ride. here is my list for the ISF

supercharger - because i'm tired of gm saying "may the best car win" and the cts-v is a joke with a big motor.
adjustable suspension - even though i dont find the ride too harsh, some people do and would want a softer option
optional alcantara package for the interior (seat inserts mainly) - keep you in your seats more because alcantara is grippy
carbon ceramic brake upgrade - less rotational inertia and unsprung mass...better acceleration, deceleration, cornering, better ride comfort....this is probably the most useful
strut tower braces from F-sport - because less body roll is never a bad thing.

other then that i cant really think of anything......

number one would definately be the supercharger.......i think that is a must....with carbon ceramics in a close second place.

Definitely a TRD or F sport supercharger for obvious performance reasons. TRD supercharges the Tundra to 500 hp and 550 lb ft torque and leaves the ISF alone, not really sending the right performance message. I understand the Tundra sells more units but the F brand needs a following and offering a car and zero parts for it is not the way. The Tundra supercharger is $2800, make the ISF one 3x as much and sell it for $8400. The lack of aftermarket parts for the ISF is disappointing and it leaves an opportunity for Lexus to step up. If they really want to build the F label they needs parts for the F and not just the IS 250/350. And the LFA motor dropped into another car since I will not be ever able to afford $375,000. And I agree about the alcantara interior. The headliner, steering wheel and seat inserts should be offered. I really like the alcantara in the M series bmw's. I agree about the navigation too, there needs to be a backwards compatible upgrade to remedy not being able to input any info while in motion. It is truly ridiculous. I sometimes feel like I should have researched a bit before I bought and not just jumped at the car because of the lack of any way to individualize it. If they offer a factory backed supercharger I will definitely buy it. Carbon ceramic brakes would be amazing too and Lexus has them on the LFA so they can spread out the development costs over more cars. Make it like Porsche and the other manufacturers as an option and let us decide. Just give us options.

For all Lexus vehicles in general...the navigation system needs to be changed. It is extremely frustrating that a passenger cannot search for destinations while the vehicle is in motion. I understand that safety is a concern, but it is the responsibility of the vehicle owner to make sure they are using the navigation menu in a safe manner while driving, not the responsibility of the auto manufacturer to build a system that is absolutely useless when the vehicle is in motion.

To be perfectly honest. I don't know if I would have purchased the ISF, had I known about this ridiculous restriction. I do absolutely love the ISF, but will definitely not purchase another Lexus vehicle if the current navigation system restrictions remain on their vehicles. I can't adequately explain how livid I was when I started fiddling with the navigation system and found it coudn't be used while driving.

I appreciate your thoughts on the Navigation system and I can elaborate on a different thread on my thoughts on that if someone wants to start it. But, if we can keep this thread focused on F-sport and things that can be developed within that line I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks for your help.

Doug

i know that with all the safety systems it would be hard to trim weight, and especially hard if you wanted to keep the nice quiet ride. here is my list for the ISF

supercharger - because i'm tired of gm saying "may the best car win" and the cts-v is a joke with a big motor.
adjustable suspension - even though i dont find the ride too harsh, some people do and would want a softer option
optional alcantara package for the interior (seat inserts mainly) - keep you in your seats more because alcantara is grippy
carbon ceramic brake upgrade - less rotational inertia and unsprung mass...better acceleration, deceleration, cornering, better ride comfort....this is probably the most useful
strut tower braces from F-sport - because less body roll is never a bad thing.

other then that i cant really think of anything......

number one would definately be the supercharger.......i think that is a must....with carbon ceramics in a close second place.

You hit it on the head doublexl. A supercharger would be great. Adjustable suspension would alleviate the main grievance of every magazine that has tested the ISF...horrible ride quality (I don't fully agree with them though). Ceramic brakes would be nice too. I am tired of the ridiculous amount of brake dust. Brake longevity needs to be fixed in general. I have heard WAY too many stories of $1200 front brake replacements at only 20,000 miles. That is not acceptable!!!

Man, I sound negative about the ISF. Actually I love it, but there are a few changes that would take this car from very goodness to greatness.

why thank you. of all the long list of things i would like to do to mine...i figured those were the most likely to be doable by F-sport.

A couple of comments:
1. The majority of the F-sport parts that currently exist are not for the IS-F
2. Car should have come with wider wheels AND tires to increase grip (straight line AND cornering) acceleration numbers suffer from wheel spin.
3. F-sport bushings poly bushings (swaybars, etc.) should be made available individually. Oh and the swaybars should be available individually too not only has front/rear package.
4. Camber adjustments for the suspension
5. Adjustable suspension (damping) from inside the car
6. True dual exhaust (all the tuners have shown Lexus left 25hp on the table by taking short cuts in making the exhaust.)
7. I second the request for an alcantara headliner, the mouse fur they have there now sux.
8. Triangulate the chassis braces they sell, a square brace is always still going to flex, use an "X" in the rear brace
9. access to better oil filters (at a reasonable price)
10. mechanical LSD

In my opinion though a ceramic brake rotor kit would be a waste. Even the Porsche guys with the ceramic kits trade out their rotors for steel when they go to the track.

I guess we have a trend starting here: suspension, flatter with adjustability!

Me - I'd like wider tires and wheels as mentioned above

and - An STB also as mentioned above.

I'd also like the wheels to have a lip.

and, while I'm thinking about it, a real dual exhaust system:eek:

Lou

all that doublexl said..
adj. susp number one for my wife..

number one would be a supercharger with an ecu flash
number two would be adjustable suspension
number three would be a new wheel choice like stated above with a lip design and bigger wheels and tires

Supercharger!!

it should come with illuminating door sills
if its an optional package on the 350
it should be standard on the f

Make the US market have the same wheel options as the rest of the world on the ISF. It seems the overwhelming majority do not like the 2010 redesign. Although the rest of the world has the option to pick the US market does not. This is a Lux car and should have more features, such as wheels, that can be chosen by the customer.

One Interior option I think would do well on the ISF would be like the alpine white interior, but instead with an Ultra Sonic Blue leather with white stitching.

1. Adjustable suspension
2. More appropriate/wider tires
3. F sport rear stabilizers as OEM
4. Supercharger
5. Alcantara inserts
6. Improve down force
7. True dual exhausts.

In regards to the F-Sport lineup for ISx50s, I would like to see:
-independantly adjustable suspension (ride height, damping, spring rate)
-exhaust manifolds
-full dual exhaust
-intake manifold (if there would be any gain)
-reduction in the price of the F-Sport BBK... its wayyy too expensive
-ECU tunability or reflash (even if you have to go to the dealer!)
-flywheel to go with the clutch
-better surface for the clutch

Get rid of the carbon fibre engine cover. Seriously.

If F-Sport wants to be taken seriously, we need to offer more than just "show" parts. The F-Sport exhaust sounds great, but an axle back? Am I driving a Civic?

O/T Doug, are you going to be at SEMA all week? I'll be there Monday night to Saturday.

To add to my list:

1) Adjustable electronic suspension (AVS)
2) Larger diameter steering wheel - F/F-Sport
3) Accessory Torsen LSD for F and the rest of IS line
4) Accessory F/F-Sport All Weather Floormats
5) More F Apparel
6) More F/F-Sport Wheel selections

That's all I can think off of the top of my head.

1) EDC for suspension - soft, normal, sport settings set within the cabin. EDIT: Or do a deal with GM to license their Caddy CTS-V/F55 Vette shocks. They are good and GM could use the money.

2) wider steering wheel

3) True dual exhaust with the NPP Corvette style adjustable tuning...tie the exhaust solenoids to the dual stage airbox to open and go max loud at around 3400 rpm. Under 3400 the solenoids remain closed for quiet highway/low speed cruising.

4) I'd like more power but I seriously doubt a SC will ever be made avail....Lexus engineers, find a way to give us another 50 hp from the NA engine. I'm willing to pay $4K for that.

Flipside , Monday and Tuesday.

Doug

I'd like the following (echoed by previous posters):

1) Higher performance exhaust (while maintaining emissions compliance)

2) Adjustable suspension and/or slightly better tuning.

3) LSD retrofit for older F's

4) Less Dust from the brake pads

5) Parking sensors and/or camera to watch out for concrete parking stops (or whatever they are called). I'm always paranoid I'm going to destroy my front air dam.

Jeff
08 Smoky Granite Mica IS F

Did anyone mention the "blind spot" sensors found on the side mirrors of Audi cars?

Did anyone mention the "blind spot" sensors found on the side mirrors of Audi cars?

Shouldn't need it if you set your mirrors up right... ;)

one more for the thicker steering wheel. They should look at the Audi RS steering wheels for reference.

Shouldn't need it if you set your mirrors up right... ;)

I know, but it wouldn't hurt to have it as an option like illuminated door sills or parking sensors. If other luxury cars have it, why not ours?:)

I KNOW tha the ECM can certainly handle modified fuel curves and if there were more serious engine components that would seperate a standard IS-F from a hard core performance one then the following is what I would like to see.

1. PnP Fuel management and the ability to tweak the settings via laptop.
2. Larger Polished throttle bodies that can be used with above.
3. Larger injectors for serious tunings.
4. Headers.
5. Full exhausts that are performance orientated.
6. A REAL cold air induction system that functions through-out the RPM range.
7. Of course a forced induction system.
8. Mirror the IS-X50 line of suspension components.
9. Get involved in body kits and or parts to customize the car in a more personal way.
10. WHEEL choices.

Adj suspension #1, Supercharger #2.

O/T Doug, are you going to be at SEMA all week? I'll be there Monday night to Saturday.

To add to my list:

1) Adjustable electronic suspension (AVS)
2) Larger diameter steering wheel - F/F-Sport
3) Accessory Torsen LSD for F and the rest of IS line
4) Accessory F/F-Sport All Weather Floormats
5) More F Apparel
6) More F/F-Sport Wheel selections

That's all I can think off of the top of my head.

Agree with All 6
6) 20in wheels and wider.
7) Supercharger
8) Fsport for IS F (exhaust, intake, springs, ceramic brakes)

Seriously, there needs to be an F-Sport excessories for the F-line alone. Make most of the aftermarket parts mostly "performance" excessories, i.e, exhaust system, headers, ecu upgrade, BBK, etc. If all of these things were available for the F, the car would have a much larger following. Aside from that, here's my list, in no particular order:

1: Supercharger or Turbocharger
2: High flow cat exhaust system that alleviates the "tips"
3: Suspension - there should be a varying degree of adjustments like BMW "M' cars.
4: Wider tires and wheels - this should be an upgrade feature from the factory
5: ECU upgrade - Toyota should work with a performance company - hello "TRD" are you there?
6: More interior color options

I would like to see:

1) A two door coupe version
2) supercharger
3) nicer led tail lamps
4) figure a way to get ventilated seats
5) have the tpms indicate each tire pressure
6) wider tires with more flare on the rear fenders
7) allow the ecu to be tuned
8) nav override
9) adjustable suspension

I was researching and ceramic brakes are available on similar priced cars with the ISF. Porsche offers the PCCB system as an option on both the Cayman and Boxster for $8,000. And I agree on the illuminated door sills. The ISF should have everything that is optional on the IS 250/350 and that includes AC seats, not just heated. The IS250 loaner I had was equipped w/ the AC seats and I felt a bit of jealousy my ISF only had heated seats.

GREAT thread-
#1- Forced induction
#2- adj. suspention
#3- tougher/heavier paint on body- seems like if a bird flys bye and farts,,,,it chips the paint

i have a feeling that alot of these comments are not directed in the manner that doug was hoping. even a few of mine were that way.

he wants to know what parts you would like to see from F-Sport. so things like.... a 2 door coupe, alcantara interior (my bad), thicker paint, illuminated door sills, new wheel choices, parking sensors, blind spot sensors, interior color options, new tail lamps, individual tpms system, flared rear fenders......are not at all F-Sport related....... lets keep it on topic.

maybe i'm to blame since i was one of the first to post a reply and i did the alcantara thing....and for that i am sorry.

8) Fsport for IS F (exhaust, intake, springs, ceramic brakes)

Actually Lexus introduced a prototype Carbon Ceramic F-Sport brake for the IS F at their SEMA premier in 2007. They ditched it due to cost and upkeep. The carbon ceramics were developed by Stop Tech. There are plans for Stop Tech to release the kit under their own name.

http://www.lexusf.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1396&highlight=carbon+ceramic

Stop Tech originally designed a carbon ceramic setup for the IS F labeled under F-Sport for SEMA 2007. Lexus ditched the idea after bed in issues with the pads and the rotors. Because there was a prolonged bed in process, they felt it wasn't a suitable item to warrant under F-Sport. Plus the cost of $10k and up wasn't something everyone was ready for.

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Thanks for looking out doublexl, you are thinking correctly. There are some great ideas here but I'm not looking for production changes on this thread. Think of it as a request for factory bolt on parts for the whole IS line including the F. What go fast goodies would you like to see for the IS line in a Lexus catalog? Things that are cost effective maybe to be marketed to the masses. Ideas like that can help shape the future of the whole F motorsports culture! I genuinely appreciate everyone's input so far , thank you. I'll be meeting with Lexus on Monday morning PST. BTW I love the alcantara idea!

We need an Oem front lip like the 250/350, factory front strut bar, some sort of exhaust upgrade. If possible, even a Trd Supercharger as a $5000-$7500 option? im pretty sure alot of ppl would jump at it.

Thanks for looking out doublexl, you are thinking correctly. There are some great ideas here but I'm not looking for production changes on this thread. Think of it as a request for factory bolt on parts for the whole IS line including the F. What go fast goodies would you like to see for the IS line in a Lexus catalog? Things that are cost effective maybe to be marketed to the masses. Ideas like that can help shape the future of the whole F motorsports culture! I genuinely appreciate everyone's input so far , thank you. I'll be meeting with Lexus on Monday morning PST. BTW I love the alcantara idea!

Hey Doug,

If they plan to make an F-Sport Intake for the IS-F, I would expect a phone call this time.. ;)

I wouldn't want to see a repeat of TRD doing the same thing that they did with the F-Sport Intake for the IS250/IS350..

I brought that intake on the table back in 2006.. :cool:

Make sure you check out the IS-C in the Lexus venue by VIP Auto Salon, Inc..

It will be rocking my Intake & Exhaust design.

Joe Z

Thanks for looking out doublexl, you are thinking correctly. There are some great ideas here but I'm not looking for production changes on this thread. Think of it as a request for factory bolt on parts for the whole IS line including the F. What go fast goodies would you like to see for the IS line in a Lexus catalog? Things that are cost effective maybe to be marketed to the masses. Ideas like that can help shape the future of the whole F motorsports culture! I genuinely appreciate everyone's input so far , thank you. I'll be meeting with Lexus on Monday morning PST. BTW I love the alcantara idea!

Whoops, I misread the original intent of the thread and got sidetracked on previous posts.

As far as F Sport parts are concerned, I would love to see:

1) Some weight saving parts (i.e. carbon fiber roof, carbon fiber aero for better down force, etc) Lexus developed the carbon fiber parts for the LFA in shop right? So they should have the technology/capability to come up with some very high quality carbon fiber parts for the ISF.

2) Supercharger...like everybody else has said.

3) Adjustable suspension...also like everybody else has said.

Hey Doug,

If they plan to make an F-Sport Intake for the IS-F, I would expect a phone call this time.. ;)

I wouldn't want to see a repeat of TRD doing the same thing that they did with the F-Sport Intake for the IS250/IS350..

I brought that intake on the table back in 2006.. :cool:

Make sure you check out the IS-C in the Lexus venue by VIP Auto Salon, Inc..

It will be rocking my Intake & Exhaust design.

Joe Z

Hate to bust your bubble Joe, but remember that discussion we had back then about this? ;)

I can't believe no one mentioned this in four pages of suggestions, and perhaps it shows that there's not much market for it, but I would love to have a MANUAL TRANSMISSION.
Also, I think ceramic brakes are a terrible idea because they'll be way too expensive to maintain. I've heard the Carerra ceramic rotors are over $10k to replace. In a $100k car, this may be acceptable, but not in a $60k car.
I second the better navigation and ventilated seats suggestions.

There are some great ideas here but I'm not looking for production changes on this thread. Think of it as a request for factory bolt on parts for the whole IS line including the F.


Doug made it clear what he's looking for. Some of you guys should read the posts a little more carefully. ;)

Hate to bust your bubble Joe, but remember that discussion we had back then about this? ;)

Yeah I remember... You were there and you didn't call me.... :eek:

Alleluia! Thanks Nightspore68, YES a nicely ratioed six speed manual transmission; close on the first five and maybe overdrive on sixth. Someone also mentioned a front lip, I strongly suggest that as well. Either that or anything to improve front down force should really be factored in. In fact it should not even be an option.

Hello to you all! I finally made it back from Las Vegas! It was a whirlwind trip as usual. I wanted to let you know that there were some Lexus folks in attendance at this meeting who were directly responsible for shaping the current and future status of the F-sport branded products from Lexus. People from marketing and TRD were there as well. There wasn't a whole lot of discussion of what is planned for the IS-F but more of what we are going to see related to F-Sport accessories. We will start to see IS-C 350's coming from the factory as "F-sport" editions with various levels of F-sport packages on them. I would imagine that eventually this will trickle down to the other IS cars as well.
Most importantly though, I shared this very thread with the the folks at the meeting who needed to know. I'm sure they will take all comments into consideration as time goes on. Thanks to everyone who provided input!

Doug

Good to know...Hopefully we don't have to wait too long before we see more goodies.

sooooo......supercharger? lol

sooooo......supercharger? lol

:( I can safely say that it was not spoken of....

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Hello to you all! I finally made it back from Las Vegas! It was a whirlwind trip as usual. I wanted to let you know that there were some Lexus folks in attendance at this meeting who were directly responsible for shaping the current and future status of the F-sport branded products from Lexus. People from marketing and TRD were there as well. There wasn't a whole lot of discussion of what is planned for the IS-F but more of what we are going to see related to F-Sport accessories. We will start to see IS-C 350's coming from the factory as "F-sport" editions with various levels of F-sport packages on them. I would imagine that eventually this will trickle down to the other IS cars as well.
Most importantly though, I shared this very thread with the the folks at the meeting who needed to know. I'm sure they will take all comments into consideration as time goes on. Thanks to everyone who provided input!

Doug

Thats disappointing to hear that there wasn't more dialog but positive if they actually come here to view people's suggestions.

If I were a betting man (and I like BlackJack), I'd say the IS-C market will only be slightly better than the F. The real money to be made is with the 250/350 where the production numbers are. I'd bet that they want to sell special editions of F Sport IS-Cs to show a boost of sales in F products when a person buys one of these special cars. But again, I predict the numbers will be low, comparable to the F or lower I'd say.

Am I missing something, or is the concept of a supercharged ISF really just an outlandish idea????? Is there really not enough of a market out there for them to build one?

Gymkata,
I feel your pain, man. I hope/wish that they would just build one!! You'd think by now, other tuners or performance company, other than Artisan, would have given up loads of options. This is the part where we lose to an M3. <---- Hey Lexus, did you read that?

**would have given us loads of options**

All I can say is that I am definitely disappointed in Lexus not offering a single upgrade for the ISF. They should be stepping up and offering support for the F line and not just the parts for the IS 250/350. I bought my ISF as a solid foundation to build upon and now I have the Joe Z exhaust and intake, the TOMS drop in filter and the Hawk ceramic pads. I guess I am done. I love my ISF but I want to keep going with it. When I look for my next high performance car to build upon I will have to widen my search beyond Lexus. Why make a supercharger for the Scion tc and Toyota Tundra but not the ISF? I had such high hopes for TRD or F sport to take the ISF and run with it. Anyways.

As a reminder, this gathering was to discuss F-sport accessories as they relate to the IS250/350 at this point in time. I took the opportunity to have you voice opinions about your thoughts on that and the trickle down affect of potential of future parts for the IS-F. It wasn't a meeting to just talk about the IS-F. Forums like this are made to make people who need to know what you are thinking. I think we have opened that door a little.
I think the IS-F was built with virtually every performance upgrade that anyone has ever wanted to put on a car. Think about it, track inspired seating in the front and rear, big Brembo brakes, 19" forged staggered wheels by a very reputable wheel manufacturer BBS, a normally aspirated 5 liter V8 that makes 400+ hp, an transmission that shifts harder and faster than you could dream about in a manual shift car, head scavenging pump, titanium intake valves, crankcase breathers, lowered suspension, and on and on. All in a package that is solid and reliable. This car has all the stuff that some us spent thousands of dollars on to upgrade our Civic or Eclipse or whatever we used to drive. Is there room for more? Sure. But this is quite a well equipped car as is, wouldn't you agree? I don't see a ton of aftermarket parts for the IS-F either. Why aren't there more aftermarket parts? Is it because the ISF is so good already? Maybe. Let's not be upset with Lexus at what they do or don't do. Just know that they have gotten to where they are today because of intelligent, well thought out decisions. Is it possible they don't feel that the IS-F or IS250/350 engines aren't compatible with supercharging in their current configuration, who knows.
Maybe they are working on things we don't know about. Maybe they are watching forums like this to get a handle on what is going on in the community. You never know.....Did you buy your IS-F because of all of the aftermarket parts you might be able to put on it or was their something else about it? Just some random thoughts...:)

Doug

I do not want to sound negative. I absolutely love my ISF but that is what is driving my passion for wanting to keep things fresh and upgrade/differentiate my ISF from the others. All of the mechanical features in the 2UR-GSE motor are what persuaded me to buy it. I just want Lexus to make something for it. I want to upgrade the car while keeping the warranty intact. That is all.

I think the IS-F was built with virtually every performance upgrade that anyone has ever wanted to put on a car.
Maybe they are working on things we don't know about. Maybe they are watching forums like this to get a handle on what is going on in the community. You never know.....Did you buy your IS-F because of all of the aftermarket parts you might be able to put on it or was their something else about it? Just some random thoughts...:)

Doug

No car is so perfect that it can't be improved, or better tailored to it's owner's preference. In the F, I can cite at least three cases where the original car is lacking. The Rear dif, corrected in the 2010 model. On a performance car like this the wheels and tires (front and rear should should be wider. The exhaust should be a full dual system. The ISX50 style pseudo dual exhaust just doesn't make it in this car. And since I'm dreaming here, how about an STB. BTW, I beefed up my rear sway bar with the F Sport version. There is no mention in the F Sport literature of the F Sport rear bar being larger than, and fitting the F.

Lou

No car is so perfect that it can't be improved, or better tailored to it's owner's preference. In the F, I can cite at least three cases where the original car is lacking. The Rear dif, corrected in the 2010 model. On a performance car like this the wheels and tires (front and rear should should be wider. The exhaust should be a full dual system. The ISX50 style pseudo dual exhaust just doesn't make it in this car. And since I'm dreaming here, how about an STB. BTW, I beefed up my rear sway bar with the F Sport version. There is no mention in the F Sport literature of the F Sport rear bar being larger than, and fitting the F.

Lou

Lou,
I didn't say that it was perfect, but it's pretty darn good. In your 3 cases you could upgrade your current car by installing the new diff, buying wider wheels and tires and buying a Joe Z true dual exhaust. I'm sure the IS-F will get "corrected" as time goes on. We all know there are certain limitations put on manufacturers by themselves or by the government as far as what they can and can't do to conform with requirements. That's where the aftermarket comes into play sometimes. The F-Sport sway bars were never designed for the IS-F and still aren't. The rear just happens to fit and be larger in diameter. I think anyone researching the rear bar for the F on the internet would be able to figure out pretty quick that people are installing it. But since it wasn't designed for the F , I would bet it will never be in the literature as an approved fitment.

Lou,
I didn't say that it was perfect, but it's pretty darn good. In your 3 cases you could upgrade your current car by installing the new diff, buying wider wheels and tires and buying a Joe Z true dual exhaust. I'm sure the IS-F will get "corrected" as time goes on. We all know there are certain limitations put on manufacturers by themselves or by the government as far as what they can and can't do to conform with requirements. That's where the aftermarket comes into play sometimes. The F-Sport sway bars were never designed for the IS-F and still aren't. The rear just happens to fit and be larger in diameter. I think anyone researching the rear bar for the F on the internet would be able to figure out pretty quick that people are installing it. But since it wasn't designed for the F , I would bet it will never be in the literature as an approved fitment.

Yes, it easy to be critical. To be honest, I would have to say that Lexus hit a home run when building the ISF, considering that it is their first vehicle in this performance class. This doesn't change the fact that there are a few things that need to be addressed. Overall though, the ISF is one absolutely kick ass vehicle. Obviously everybody has some pent up frustrations about one detail or another (I certainly do), but that doesn't change the fact that most everybody on this site is proud of the vehicle that they drive.

Well said sir. :)

Ditto both posts above. Not perfect, but darn good for a first effort!

Jeff
08 Smoky Granite Mica IS F

Step back and look where Toyota is right now in the global scheme of things, instead of a 4000 car mkt like the F....they have been hurt bad by the economy as everyone has...their huge investment in full-size truck mkt and new plants to build it at the top has really hurt them....uncharacteristic recalls, rusted out truck frames, charges of coverups, slow action, etc. So, new CEO is going back to roots...quality quality quality...and my guess is efficiency efficiency, efficiency....they have been embarrassed recently and Hyundai has them on thier heels....

Honda has pulled any v8 RWD plans and is prob. saying nightly prayers of thanks that they did not get into full size trucks. So, with this backdrop, and a new normal in car sales of maybe 11-12 million instead of 16-17 million in US, I think niche cars might be on the bubble...maybe no more F's of any kind....I hope not, but the Japanese seem very conservative...the Camry will get funds...the F program, not so sure. Not to be a pessimist, but, that's how I see things right now...:o

Step back and look where Toyota is right now in the global scheme of things, instead of a 4000 car mkt like the F....they have been hurt bad by the economy as everyone has...their huge investment in full-size truck mkt and new plants to build it at the top has really hurt them....uncharacteristic recalls, rusted out truck frames, charges of coverups, slow action, etc. So, new CEO is going back to roots...quality quality quality...and my guess is efficiency efficiency, efficiency....they have been embarrassed recently and Hyundai has them on thier heels....

Honda has pulled any v8 RWD plans and is prob. saying nightly prayers of thanks that they did not get into full size trucks. So, with this backdrop, and a new normal in car sales of maybe 11-12 million instead of 16-17 million in US, I think niche cars might be on the bubble...maybe no more F's of any kind....I hope not, but the Japanese seem very conservative...the Camry will get funds...the F program, not so sure. Not to be a pessimist, but, that's how I see things right now...:o

All good points Mike,
If memory serves me right the new CEO is also an enthusiast. Let's hope he carries his passsion on no matter what! How about an HS250h F? :D

but the Japanese seem very conservative...the Camry will get funds...the F program, not so sure.

that reminds me, upgrade the camry clock in the F.

and optional PIT-LESS-ABLE but wider wheels...

I think this roundtable discussion with select dealers across the nation is important. There were only a select handful of individuals invited by Lexus and for good reason. I am positive Lexus reads our concerns about our cars everyday including the other enthusiast forums. This particular discussion was brought up by Doug about F-Sport/F and etc. Sure we may have suggestions or items we would like Lexus to improve upon, but that can be saved for another discussion. Lets take it step by step and thank Doug and his team for helping us enthusiasts voice out our wants and needs for future products. Lets also thank Lexus for having an open mind to the performance line we know as F. They really are listening, and is the reason why we have the F line, F-Sport today. They are committed to the aftermarket as they have been representing at SEMA for 3 years now! What other luxury brands show face at SEMA? Not BMW, Mercedes or Audi. ;)

On another note, I had the pleasure to meet Doug last week in Las Vegas during SEMA. We had a lot of great discussion about the Lexus brand, F-Sport, ISF, and other car stuff in general. We ended up talking the night away to almost 4am the next day. Hows that for car chat! He's a stand up guy and a pleasure to speak with. Thank you Doug for all your support! :D

Thank You Doug!!!!

Yes, thank you. This has been a good opportunity to voice opinions/concerns/desires...even if we tend to get side-tracked.

I think this roundtable discussion with select dealers across the nation is important. There were only a select handful of individuals invited by Lexus and for good reason. I am positive Lexus reads our concerns about our cars everyday including the other enthusiast forums. This particular discussion was brought up by Doug about F-Sport/F and etc. Sure we may have suggestions or items we would like Lexus to improve upon, but that can be saved for another discussion. Lets take it step by step and thank Doug and his team for helping us enthusiasts voice out our wants and needs for future products. Lets also thank Lexus for having an open mind to the performance line we know as F. They really are listening, and is the reason why we have the F line, F-Sport today. They are committed to the aftermarket as they have been representing at SEMA for 3 years now! What other luxury brands show face at SEMA? Not BMW, Mercedes or Audi. ;)

On another note, I had the pleasure to meet Doug last week in Las Vegas during SEMA. We had a lot of great discussion about the Lexus brand, F-Sport, ISF, and other car stuff in general. We ended up talking the night away to almost 4am the next day. Hows that for car chat! He's a stand up guy and a pleasure to speak with. Thank you Doug for all your support! :D

I agree with Flip on all points! Lexus is definitely upping the game on the performance side and committed to it. We are all in a unique position to help guide the future with forums like this. Flipside (Ryan) is a unique person as well and we are fortunate to have him on the team. I continue to push management at our dealership to be a supporting vendor on this forum because I support Lexus and what they are trying to accomplish. And, I am a true car enthusiast at heart! Let's keep it fun!

Did anyone suggest Camber plates/adjustment kits?